CA MERGER DISCUSSIONS
PLEASE VOTE "OPPOSED"!
We have until February 27 to vote! Visit this link to vote: https://www.proxypush.ca/vote?b=icaovoteIf you can't locate your voter number visit: http://www.icao.on.ca/CA/SGM/1009page15931.aspx
If you have already voted, but CHANGED your position, you can still change your vote. Simply revisit the above links!
"REQUIRED TO ADMIT"?
Yesterday, the ICAO sent out an email reiterating the same unsubstantiated assumptions. We are glad though, because they are surprised that “members are still asking questions”. Please … don’t stop asking questions! The word is getting out. CAs are seeing the gaping holes in the ICAO’s message. The CPA ByLaws simply do not pass the smell test!
Regarding the “REQUIREMENT”…
Once again, the premise of the ICAO’s argument is that it is “required to admit” Quebec CPAs (regardless of their origin; CMA, CGA, CA) as CAs into our Institute…unless the ByLaws pass, in which case we admit them into the ICAO and hand them CPAs (tagged with their original designation).
In summary, the ICAO is saying; We must give out CAs….We have no choice.
Really? According to what authority? Why “must” the ICAO admit CGAs and CMAs fromQuebec (or for that matter, from Ontario?)
Exchanges between our members and the ICAO on LinkedIn have uncovered startling evidence that the ICAO’s logic is far from sound. (link to the debates: goo.gl/owjXW)
Good for the Goose; Good for the Gander? Not.
A Quebec CPA-CA (Mr. David Nayer) recently tried to apply for a CMA and CGA inOntario. Both CGA Ontario and CMA Ontario refused to grant Mr. Nayer membership in their respective organizations. Neither made any mention of the arcane rules or liberal interpretations relied upon by the ICAO that any and all CPAs from Quebec “must be admitted”:
From the Ontario CGAs
Hi David,
We offer memberships from CPAs in Quebec if they were former CGA CPAand if they either reside or work in Ontario. Will you please let me know?
Thank you,
From the Ontario CMAs
Mr. Nayer
In response to your email below, CMA Ontario is not required to issue the CMA designation to non-CMAs who hold the CPA designation in Quebec.
The Agreement on Internal Trade is intended to ensure that professionals in regulated occupations can be certified in the same occupation in another province or territory without having to undergo significant additional training, examination or assessment. As a CPA, CA in Quebec, you may apply to the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Ontario for certification as a CA and CPA inOntario, and as such, you have a clear route to certification and use of both the CPA and CA designations in Ontario.
Regards,
The plain fact is that the ICAO has voluntarily elected to recognize Quebec CPAs, and Ontario CMAs and CGAs as being entitled to membership in our Institute. Instead of putting up a fight, or mounting legal challenges to protect our CA, the ICAO has simply opened our doors to CMAs and CGAs, by choice.
Let’s be clear – The ICAO is not being forced by legislation or regulation to admit non-CAs into our Institute. The ICAO has simply taken a position based on its (preferred?) interpretation of various agreements, shrugged its shoulders and said “OK, come on in.”
“this bylaw vote has nothing to do with unification”
Really?
If these ByLaws pass, the Institute will admit all CMAs and CGAs in Canada into our institute, not just Quebec CPA-CMA/CGAs. We can’t stress this enough. In today’s TownHall, Mr. Barr noted that there are already Ontario CMAs who have been admitted into our Institute and provided with CPA-CMA designations. These ByLaws are meant to ratify this process, and needs to be “OPPOSED”!
If the ICAO doesn’t consider this to be a defacto merger, then we’re not sure what is. They can keep arguing that these ByLaws are not about a merger, but in substance they are exactly that; we will accept all CMAs and CGAs into our Institute.
Ask the tough questions and demand thorough answers. The ICAO is spinning theirinterpretation of the situation as fact … it most certainly is NOT!
VOTE “OPPOSED” ON THE BYLAWS!
The voting deadline for the ByLaws is February 27, 2013. Please vote OPPOSED and let your fellow CAs know to vote!
Don’t forget, if you have already voted and changed your position, you can log in again and change your vote!
Visit the following link to retrieve your voter number and access the voting portal:
http://www.icao.on.ca/CA/SGM/1009page15931.aspx
VOTE "OPPOSED"
PLEASE, CONTINUE TO SPREAD THE WORD.
There are a lot of Ontario CAs who are still in dark regarding this issue!
Tell your CA colleagues who have not yet signed the petition, to sign and join the thousands of CAs who are concerned about protecting the integrity of our profession.
We continue to hear of CAs who are worried that publicly stating their disagreement with the merger and ByLaws could affect their careers. Remember, however, signing the petition is not about disagreement, it is about due process.
We have until February 27 to vote! Visit this link to vote: https://www.proxypush.ca/vote?b=icaovoteIf you can't locate your voter number visit: http://www.icao.on.ca/CA/SGM/1009page15931.aspx
If you have already voted, but CHANGED your position, you can still change your vote. Simply revisit the above links!
"REQUIRED TO ADMIT"?
Yesterday, the ICAO sent out an email reiterating the same unsubstantiated assumptions. We are glad though, because they are surprised that “members are still asking questions”. Please … don’t stop asking questions! The word is getting out. CAs are seeing the gaping holes in the ICAO’s message. The CPA ByLaws simply do not pass the smell test!
Regarding the “REQUIREMENT”…
Once again, the premise of the ICAO’s argument is that it is “required to admit” Quebec CPAs (regardless of their origin; CMA, CGA, CA) as CAs into our Institute…unless the ByLaws pass, in which case we admit them into the ICAO and hand them CPAs (tagged with their original designation).
In summary, the ICAO is saying; We must give out CAs….We have no choice.
Really? According to what authority? Why “must” the ICAO admit CGAs and CMAs fromQuebec (or for that matter, from Ontario?)
Exchanges between our members and the ICAO on LinkedIn have uncovered startling evidence that the ICAO’s logic is far from sound. (link to the debates: goo.gl/owjXW)
Good for the Goose; Good for the Gander? Not.
A Quebec CPA-CA (Mr. David Nayer) recently tried to apply for a CMA and CGA inOntario. Both CGA Ontario and CMA Ontario refused to grant Mr. Nayer membership in their respective organizations. Neither made any mention of the arcane rules or liberal interpretations relied upon by the ICAO that any and all CPAs from Quebec “must be admitted”:
From the Ontario CGAs
Hi David,
We offer memberships from CPAs in Quebec if they were former CGA CPAand if they either reside or work in Ontario. Will you please let me know?
Thank you,
From the Ontario CMAs
Mr. Nayer
In response to your email below, CMA Ontario is not required to issue the CMA designation to non-CMAs who hold the CPA designation in Quebec.
The Agreement on Internal Trade is intended to ensure that professionals in regulated occupations can be certified in the same occupation in another province or territory without having to undergo significant additional training, examination or assessment. As a CPA, CA in Quebec, you may apply to the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Ontario for certification as a CA and CPA inOntario, and as such, you have a clear route to certification and use of both the CPA and CA designations in Ontario.
Regards,
The plain fact is that the ICAO has voluntarily elected to recognize Quebec CPAs, and Ontario CMAs and CGAs as being entitled to membership in our Institute. Instead of putting up a fight, or mounting legal challenges to protect our CA, the ICAO has simply opened our doors to CMAs and CGAs, by choice.
Let’s be clear – The ICAO is not being forced by legislation or regulation to admit non-CAs into our Institute. The ICAO has simply taken a position based on its (preferred?) interpretation of various agreements, shrugged its shoulders and said “OK, come on in.”
“this bylaw vote has nothing to do with unification”
Really?
If these ByLaws pass, the Institute will admit all CMAs and CGAs in Canada into our institute, not just Quebec CPA-CMA/CGAs. We can’t stress this enough. In today’s TownHall, Mr. Barr noted that there are already Ontario CMAs who have been admitted into our Institute and provided with CPA-CMA designations. These ByLaws are meant to ratify this process, and needs to be “OPPOSED”!
If the ICAO doesn’t consider this to be a defacto merger, then we’re not sure what is. They can keep arguing that these ByLaws are not about a merger, but in substance they are exactly that; we will accept all CMAs and CGAs into our Institute.
Ask the tough questions and demand thorough answers. The ICAO is spinning theirinterpretation of the situation as fact … it most certainly is NOT!
VOTE “OPPOSED” ON THE BYLAWS!
The voting deadline for the ByLaws is February 27, 2013. Please vote OPPOSED and let your fellow CAs know to vote!
Don’t forget, if you have already voted and changed your position, you can log in again and change your vote!
Visit the following link to retrieve your voter number and access the voting portal:
http://www.icao.on.ca/CA/SGM/1009page15931.aspx
VOTE "OPPOSED"
PLEASE, CONTINUE TO SPREAD THE WORD.
There are a lot of Ontario CAs who are still in dark regarding this issue!
Tell your CA colleagues who have not yet signed the petition, to sign and join the thousands of CAs who are concerned about protecting the integrity of our profession.
We continue to hear of CAs who are worried that publicly stating their disagreement with the merger and ByLaws could affect their careers. Remember, however, signing the petition is not about disagreement, it is about due process.
Thank you for your support,
Concerned CAs.
